[openstack-dev] [kolla][tc] Video Meetings - input requested

Ian Cordasco sigmavirus24 at gmail.com
Wed Dec 14 15:07:29 UTC 2016


-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Leafe <ed at leafe.com>
Reply: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) <openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org>
Date: December 14, 2016 at 08:08:33
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) <openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org>
Subject:  Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][tc] Video Meetings - input requested

> On Dec 14, 2016, at 7:45 AM, Ian Cordasco wrote:
> >
> > Taking you to the extreme of your statement, it seems there are several of these "ad hoc"  
> meetings a week (by inc0's admission). The video meetings seem to replace the time that  
> sub-team is missing in the weekly IRC meeting, which Jeffrey has a plan to solve for.
> >
> > Also, based on inc0's email, it seems that these meetings consistently are made up primarily  
> (if not singularly) of "cores". So they seem to be violating the open's in that they're  
> effectively (even if not intentionally) creating a place where only sub-groups of people  
> working on kolla (k8s) can collaborate.
> >
> > Further, the kolla team seems to think that code submissions sent after a meeting are  
> sufficient artifacts from the meeting, which there seems to be a majority who feel otherwise.  
> Based on Jeffrey's descriptions, inc0's emails, and the rest of this thread, it seems  
> quite clear that kolla isn't obeying one of the 4 opens.
> Sorry, the conversation seems to have forked. The original issue was Kolla’s practices,  
> which then forked into a more general discussion. I was responding to the general side  
> of things: you can’t say that hangouts or hallway conversations are never good things.  
> But when they are misused, as is described in the Kolla case, then yes, that should not  
> be allowed to continue.

No worries. I was trying to bring us back to the Kolla case. If we want to discuss more general guidelines around this stuff, I'd rather not hijack this thread because it highlights serious problems in how Kolla is operating that a member of its team has brought up. I don't want us to side-track that conversation too severely. :)

Ian Cordasco

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