[openstack-dev] [tc] persistently single-vendor projects
graham.hayes at hpe.com
Tue Aug 2 15:13:25 UTC 2016
On 02/08/2016 15:42, Flavio Percoco wrote:
> On 01/08/16 10:19 -0400, Sean Dague wrote:
>> On 08/01/2016 09:58 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>> Thierry, Ben, Doug,
>>> How can we distinguish between. "Project is doing the right thing, but
>>> others are not joining" vs "Project is actively trying to keep people
>> I think at some level, it's not really that different. If we treat them
>> as different, everyone will always believe they did all the right
>> things, but got no results. 3 cycles should be plenty of time to drop
>> single entity contributions below 90%. That means prioritizing bugs /
>> patches from outside groups (to drop below 90% on code commits),
>> mentoring every outside member that provides feedback (to drop below 90%
>> on reviews), shifting development resources towards mentoring / docs /
>> on ramp exercises for others in the community (to drop below 90% on core
>> Digging out of a single vendor status is hard, and requires making that
>> your top priority. If teams aren't interested in putting that ahead of
>> development work, that's fine, but that doesn't make it a sustainable
>> OpenStack project.
> ++ to the above! I don't think they are that different either and we might not
> need to differentiate them after all.
I do have one question - how are teams getting out of
"team:single-vendor" and towards "team:diverse-affiliation" ?
We have tried to get more people involved with Designate using the ways
we know how - doing integrations with other projects, pushing designate
at conferences, helping DNS Server vendors to add drivers, adding
drivers for DNS Servers and service providers ourselves, adding
features - the lot.
We have a lot of user interest (41% of users were interested in using
us), and are quite widely deployed for a non tc-approved-release
project (17% - 5% in production). We are actually the most deployed
non tc-approved-release project.
We still have 81% of the reviews done by 2 companies, and 83% by 3
I know our project is not "cool", and DNS is probably one of the most
boring topics, but I honestly believe that it has a place in the
majority of OpenStack clouds - both public and private. We are a small
team of people dedicated to making Designate the best we can, but are
still one company deciding to drop OpenStack / DNS development from
joining the single-vendor party.
We are definitely interested in putting community development ahead of
development work - but what that actual work is seems to difficult to
nail down. I do feel sometimes that I am flailing in the dark trying to
If projects could share how that got out of single-vendor or into
diverse-affiliation this could really help teams progress in the
community, and avoid being removed.
Making grand statements about "work harder on community" without any
guidance about what we need to work on do not help the community.
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