[openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] - Heat support for LbaasV2

Sergey Kraynev skraynev at mirantis.com
Wed Sep 23 18:09:00 UTC 2015


Guys. I happy, that you already discussed it here :)
However, I'd like to raise same question on our Heat IRC meeting.
Probably we should define some common concepts, because I think, that lbaas
is not single example of service with
several APIs.
I will post update in this thread later (after meeting).

Regards,
Sergey.

On 23 September 2015 at 14:37, Fox, Kevin M <Kevin.Fox at pnnl.gov> wrote:

> Seperate ns would work great.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Banashankar KV
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:14:35 PM
>
> *To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
> *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] - Heat support for LbaasV2
>
> What you think about separating both of them with the name as Doug
> mentioned. In future if we want to get rid of the v1 we can just remove
> that namespace. Everything will be clean.
>
> Thanks
> Banashankar
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Fox, Kevin M <Kevin.Fox at pnnl.gov> wrote:
>
>> As I understand it, loadbalancer in v2 is more like pool was in v1. Can
>> we make it such that if you are using the loadbalancer resource and have
>> the mandatory v2 properties that it tries to use v2 api, otherwise its a v1
>> resource? PoolMember should be ok being the same. It just needs to call v1
>> or v2 depending on if the lb its pointing at is v1 or v2. Is monitor's api
>> different between them? Can it be like pool member?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kevin
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Brandon Logan
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2015 5:39:03 PM
>>
>> *To:* openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] - Heat support for
>> LbaasV2
>>
>> So for the API v1s api is of the structure:
>>
>> <neutron-endpoint>/lb/(vip|pool|member|health_monitor)
>>
>> V2s is:
>> <neutron-endpoint>/lbaas/(loadbalancer|listener|pool|healthmonitor)
>>
>> member is a child of pool, so it would go down one level.
>>
>> The only difference is the lb for v1 and lbaas for v2.  Not sure if that
>> is enough of a different.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
>> On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 23:48 +0000, Fox, Kevin M wrote:
>> > Thats the problem. :/
>> >
>> > I can't think of a way to have them coexist without: breaking old
>> > templates, including v2 in the name, or having a flag on the resource
>> > saying the version is v2. And as an app developer I'd rather not have
>> > my existing templates break.
>> >
>> > I haven't compared the api's at all, but is there a required field of
>> > v2 that is different enough from v1 that by its simple existence in
>> > the resource you can tell a v2 from a v1 object? Would something like
>> > that work? PoolMember wouldn't have to change, the same resource could
>> > probably work for whatever lb it was pointing at I'm guessing.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Kevin
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ______________________________________________________________________
>> > From: Banashankar KV [banveerad at gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 4:40 PM
>> > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
>> > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] - Heat support for
>> > LbaasV2
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ok, sounds good. So now the question is how should we name the new V2
>> > resources ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Banashankar
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Fox, Kevin M <Kevin.Fox at pnnl.gov>
>> > wrote:
>> >         Yes, hence the need to support the v2 resources as seperate
>> >         things. Then I can rewrite the templates to include the new
>> >         resources rather then the old resources as appropriate. IE, it
>> >         will be a porting effort to rewrite them. Then do a heat
>> >         update on the stack to migrate it from lbv1 to lbv2. Since
>> >         they are different resources, it should create the new and
>> >         delete the old.
>> >
>> >         Thanks,
>> >         Kevin
>> >
>> >
>> >         ______________________________________________________________
>> >         From: Banashankar KV [banveerad at gmail.com]
>> >         Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 4:16 PM
>> >
>> >         To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage
>> >         questions)
>> >         Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] - Heat support
>> >         for LbaasV2
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >         But I think, V2 has introduced some new components and whole
>> >         association of the resources with each other is changed, we
>> >         should be still able to do what Kevin has mentioned ?
>> >
>> >         Thanks
>> >         Banashankar
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >         On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Fox, Kevin M
>> >         <Kevin.Fox at pnnl.gov> wrote:
>> >                 There needs to be a way to have both v1 and v2
>> >                 supported in one engine....
>> >
>> >                 Say I have templates that use v1 already in existence
>> >                 (I do), and I want to be able to heat stack update on
>> >                 them one at a time to v2. This will replace the v1 lb
>> >                 with v2, migrating the floating ip from the v1 lb to
>> >                 the v2 one. This gives a smoothish upgrade path.
>> >
>> >                 Thanks,
>> >                 Kevin
>> >                 ________________________________________
>> >                 From: Brandon Logan [brandon.logan at RACKSPACE.COM]
>> >                 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 3:22 PM
>> >                 To: openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org
>> >                 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][lbaas] - Heat
>> >                 support for LbaasV2
>> >
>> >                 Well I'd hate to have the V2 postfix on it because V1
>> >                 will be deprecated
>> >                 and removed, which means the V2 being there would be
>> >                 lame.  Is there any
>> >                 kind of precedent set for for how to handle this?
>> >
>> >                 Thanks,
>> >                 Brandon
>> >                 On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 14:49 -0700, Banashankar KV
>> >                 wrote:
>> >                 > So are we thinking of making it as ?
>> >                 > OS::Neutron::LoadBalancerV2
>> >                 >
>> >                 > OS::Neutron::ListenerV2
>> >                 >
>> >                 > OS::Neutron::PoolV2
>> >                 >
>> >                 > OS::Neutron::PoolMemberV2
>> >                 >
>> >                 > OS::Neutron::HealthMonitorV2
>> >                 >
>> >                 >
>> >                 >
>> >                 > and add all those into the loadbalancer.py of heat
>> >                 engine ?
>> >                 >
>> >                 > Thanks
>> >                 > Banashankar
>> >                 >
>> >                 >
>> >                 >
>> >                 > On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Sergey Kraynev
>> >                 > <skraynev at mirantis.com> wrote:
>> >                 >         Brandon.
>> >                 >
>> >                 >
>> >                 >         As I understand we v1 and v2 have
>> >                 differences also in list of
>> >                 >         objects and also in relationships between
>> >                 them.
>> >                 >         So I don't think that it will be easy to
>> >                 upgrade old resources
>> >                 >         (unfortunately).
>> >                 >         I'd agree with second Kevin's suggestion
>> >                 about implementation
>> >                 >         new resources in this case.
>> >                 >
>> >                 >
>> >                 >         I see, that a lot of guys, who wants to help
>> >                 with it :) And I
>> >                 >         suppose, that me and Rabi Mishra may try to
>> >                 help with it,
>> >                 >         because we was involvement in implementation
>> >                 of v1 resources
>> >                 >         in Heat.
>> >                 >         Follow the list of v1 lbaas resources in
>> >                 Heat:
>> >                 >
>> >                 >
>> >                 >
>> >
>> http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/openstack.html#OS::Neutron::LoadBalancer
>> >                 >
>> >
>> http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/openstack.html#OS::Neutron::Pool
>> >                 >
>> >                 >
>> >
>> http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/openstack.html#OS::Neutron::PoolMember
>> >                 >
>> >                 >
>> >
>> http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/openstack.html#OS::Neutron::HealthMonitor
>> >                 >
>> >                 >
>> >                 >
>> >                 >         Also, I suppose, that it may be discussed
>> >                 during summit
>> >                 >         talks :)
>> >                 >         Will add to etherpad with potential
>> >                 sessions.
>> >                 >
>> >                 >
>> >                 >
>> >                 >         Regards,
>> >                 >         Sergey.
>> >                 >
>> >                 >         On 22 September 2015 at 22:27, Brandon Logan
>> >                 >         <brandon.logan at rackspace.com> wrote:
>> >                 >                 There is some overlap, but there was
>> >                 some incompatible
>> >                 >                 differences when
>> >                 >                 we started designing v2.  I'm sure
>> >                 the same issues
>> >                 >                 will arise this time
>> >                 >                 around so new resources sounds like
>> >                 the path to go.
>> >                 >                 However, I do not
>> >                 >                 know much about Heat and the
>> >                 resources so I'm speaking
>> >                 >                 on a very
>> >                 >                 uneducated level here.
>> >                 >
>> >                 >                 Thanks,
>> >                 >                 Brandon
>> >                 >                 On Tue, 2015-09-22 at 18:38 +0000,
>> >                 Fox, Kevin M wrote:
>> >                 >                 > We're using the v1 resources...
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 > If the v2 ones are compatible and
>> >                 can seamlessly
>> >                 >                 upgrade, great
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 > Otherwise, make new ones please.
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 > Thanks,
>> >                 >                 > Kevin
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >
>> >
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> >                 >                 > From: Banashankar KV
>> >                 [banveerad at gmail.com]
>> >                 >                 > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015
>> >                 10:07 AM
>> >                 >                 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing
>> >                 List (not for
>> >                 >                 usage questions)
>> >                 >                 > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev]
>> >                 [neutron][lbaas] - Heat
>> >                 >                 support for
>> >                 >                 > LbaasV2
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 > Hi Brandon,
>> >                 >                 > Work in progress, but need some
>> >                 input on the way we
>> >                 >                 want them, like
>> >                 >                 > replace the existing lbaasv1 or we
>> >                 still need to
>> >                 >                 support them ?
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 > Thanks
>> >                 >                 > Banashankar
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 > On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 9:18 AM,
>> >                 Brandon Logan
>> >                 >                 > <brandon.logan at rackspace.com>
>> >                 wrote:
>> >                 >                 >         Hi Banashankar,
>> >                 >                 >         I think it'd be great if
>> >                 you got this going.
>> >                 >                 One of those
>> >                 >                 >         things we
>> >                 >                 >         want to have and people
>> >                 ask for but has
>> >                 >                 always gotten a lower
>> >                 >                 >         priority
>> >                 >                 >         due to the critical things
>> >                 needed.
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 >         Thanks,
>> >                 >                 >         Brandon
>> >                 >                 >         On Mon, 2015-09-21 at
>> >                 17:57 -0700,
>> >                 >                 Banashankar KV wrote:
>> >                 >                 >         > Hi All,
>> >                 >                 >         > I was thinking of
>> >                 starting the work on
>> >                 >                 heat to support
>> >                 >                 >         LBaasV2,  Is
>> >                 >                 >         > there any concerns about
>> >                 that?
>> >                 >                 >         >
>> >                 >                 >         >
>> >                 >                 >         > I don't know if it is
>> >                 the right time to
>> >                 >                 bring this up :D .
>> >                 >                 >         >
>> >                 >                 >         > Thanks,
>> >                 >                 >         > Banashankar (bana_k)
>> >                 >                 >         >
>> >                 >                 >         >
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >                 >         >
>> >                 >                 >
>> >                 >
>> >
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