[openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

Joe Gordon joe.gordon0 at gmail.com
Sun Jun 21 15:00:39 UTC 2015

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Jay Pipes <jaypipes at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 06/15/2015 06:20 AM, Joe Gordon wrote:
>> One of the stated problems the 'big tent' is supposed to solve is:
>> 'The binary nature of the integrated release results in projects outside
>> the integrated release failing to get the recognition they deserve.
>> "Non-official" projects are second- or third-class citizens which can't
>> get development resources. Alternative solutions can't emerge in the
>> shadow of the blessed approach. Becoming part of the integrated release,
>> which was originally designed to be a technical decision, quickly became
>> a life-or-death question for new projects, and a political/community
>> minefield.' [0]
>> Meaning projects should see an uptick in development once they drop
>> their second-class citizenship and join OpenStack. Now that we have been
>> living in the world of the big tent for several months now, we can see
>> if this claim is true.
>> Below is a list of the first few few projects to join OpenStack after
>> the big tent, All of which have now been part of OpenStack for at least
>> two months.[1]
>> * Mangum -  Tue Mar 24 20:17:36 2015
>> * Murano - Tue Mar 24 20:48:25 2015
>> * Congress - Tue Mar 31 20:24:04 2015
>> * Rally - Tue Apr 7 21:25:53 2015
>> When looking at stackalytics [2] for each project, we don't see any
>> noticeably change in number of reviews, contributors, or number of
>> commits from before and after each project joined OpenStack.
>> So what does this mean? At least in the short term moving from
>> Stackforge to OpenStack does not result in an increase in development
>> resources (too early to know about the long term).  One of the three
>> reasons for the big tent appears to be unfounded, but the other two
>> reasons hold.
> You have not given enough time to see the effects of the Big Tent, IMHO.
> Lots of folks in the corporate world just found out about it at the design
> summit, frankly.

As I responded in a different email, I tend to agree with you. Although
there are some clear trends towards new contributing companies already.

> > The only thing I think this information changes is what
>> peoples expectations should be when applying to join OpenStack.
> What is your assumption of what people's expectations are when applying to
> join OpenStack?

That joining OpenStack will result in more companies contributing to a
given project.

> Best,
> -jay
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