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Appreciate the feedback, Morgan!

Cindy: I do not mind if you open up a Merge Prop for this change (link it on this mail loop) and ask for a poll on the gerrit review.

Thanks,
-Nikhil

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From: Morgan Fainberg [morgan.fainberg at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 11:57 AM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging

> On Jan 5, 2015, at 08:07, Nikhil Komawar <nikhil.komawar at RACKSPACE.COM> wrote:
>
> Based on the feedback received, we would like to avoid logging on the project channel. My take from the discussion was that it gives many a folks a feeling of informal platform to express their ideas freely in contrast to the meeting channels.
>
> However, at the same time I would like to point out that using foul language in the open freenode channels is a bad practice. There are no admins monitoring our project channels however, those channels that are monitored have people kicked out on misbehavior.  The point being, "no logging" means freedom of thought for only the creative purposes; please do not take me any other way.
>
> Thanks,
> -Nikhil
>

I just want to point out that keystone has logging enabled for our channel and I do not see it as a hamper to creative discussion / open discussion. The logging is definitely of value. Also a lot of people will locally log a given irc channel, which largely nets the same result.

It is still not an official meeting, and we have heated debates at times, the logging let's us check back on things discussed outside of the official meetings. I do admit it is used less frequently than the meeting logs.

--Morgan

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> ________________________________________
> From: Anita Kuno [anteaya at anteaya.info]
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 10:42 AM
> To: openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
>
>> On 01/05/2015 06:42 AM, Cindy Pallares wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I would like to re-open the discussion on IRC logging for the glance
>> channel. It was discussed on a meeting back in November[1], but it
>> didn't seem to have a lot of input from the community and it was not
>> discussed in the mailing list. A lot of information is exchanged through
>> the channel and it isn't accessible for people who occasionally come
>> into our channel from other projects, new contributors, and people who
>> don't want to be reached off-hours or don't have bouncers. Logging our
>> channel would  increase our community's transparency and make our
>> development discussions publicly accessible to contributors in all
>> time-zones and from other projects. It is very useful to look back on
>> the logs for previous discussions or as well as to refer people to
>> discussions or questions previously answered.
>>
>>
>> --Cindy
>>
>> [1]
>> http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-11-13-20.03.log.html
>>
>>
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> Hi Cindy:
>
> You might want to consider offering a patch (you can use this one as an
> example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138965/2) and anyone with a
> strong perspective can express themselves with a vote and comment.
>
> Thanks,
> Anita.
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