[openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Call for adoption (or exclusion?)

Richard Raseley richard at raseley.com
Thu Apr 23 18:02:26 UTC 2015

Flavio Percoco wrote:
>> I think getting operators to adopt it is key to getting other openstack
>> projects to also adopt it. There is something of a chicken and the egg
>> problem
>> with the integration. Some of the projects you will want to integrate
>> the most
>> with are already considered pretty stable and may not want to rewrite
>> working
>> bits to target a service thats hard for ops to deploy. It makes their
>> service
>> hard to deploy too.
>> Getting into RDO and Ubuntu will go a long way there. Getting into
>> Packstack
>> and other deployment tools even further.
> I don't fully agree with the above. The problem on waiting for
> operators to adopt it is that they might actually not have a reason to
> do it, which doesn't mean the project is useless. Each operator will
> decide what services they want to provide.

The needs of operators are a reflection of the needs of their users.

I don't want to use the word 'useless', because it has a clear negative 
connotation - and I don't think Zaqar is 'useless'. Let's instead 
discuss 'utility'.

The utility of any solution or product is completely subjective, and 
solely based upon the underlying requirements. If real operators with 
real requirements do not view a particular solution as having utility 
for them - then it doesn't.

You are correct in that there is a bit of a bootstrapping problem, but I 
strongly feel like the answer to that is continuing to listen to, and 
test against, the market (the architects and operators).

Build a minimally viable product that (a) has clear messaging and use 
cases (b) is easy to deploy and configure and (c) doesn't demand deep 
integration into an existing cloud and operators will start deploying, 
testing, and providing feedback. This will create the right feedback 
cycle and help in validating (or completely demolishing) assumptions on 
what users actually need.

With regard to '(b)' above, it doesn't appear that there any any Puppet 
modules to assist with the installation and configuration of Zaqar. If 
you're interested, let's chat in Vancouver to see if I can help in get a 
basic set out there.


Richard Raseley

SysOps Engineer
Puppet Labs

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