[openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Call for adoption (or exclusion?)

Flavio Percoco flavio at redhat.com
Mon Apr 20 15:05:42 UTC 2015

On 20/04/15 14:08 +0000, Fox, Kevin M wrote:
>RDO packaging would go a long way for us.
>Also what about oslo support? We have a second rabbit for sahara/trove/
>designate for reasons I wont get into here on one cloud that could just be made
>to use Zaqar instead?

This is exactly the kind of adoption we're looking forward to. I
don't think there'll be support for Zaqar in oslo.messaging - they simply have
different goals - but Zaqar would be a good fit for the use-cases that
sahara, trove and designate have (I believe we're talking about agents

This call, however, belongs to the project's owners and maintainers.
Since I believe Zaqar is a good project for OpenStack and I know there
are folks - like yourself - that believe so too, I'm raising this warn
so that people know what might happen to the project if it doesn't get
some help from "the inner-outside world"

>I do believe Zaqar is very important. Its been a long bumpy road, but you folks
>are doing a great job. Dont loose heart.

Thanks :)

>From: Flavio Percoco
>Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 5:54:54 AM
>To: openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org
>Subject: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Call for adoption (or exclusion?)
>I'd like my first action as Zaqar's PTL to be based on reflections and
>transparency with regards to what our past has been, to what our
>present is and to what our future could be as a project and community.
>Therefore, I'm sending this call for adoption and support before
>taking other actions (also mentioned below).
>The summit is very close and the Zaqar team is looking forward to it.
>The upcoming summit represents an important opportunity for Zaqar to
>integrate with other projects. In the previous summits - since
>Icehouse's - we've been collecting feedback from the community. We've
>worked on addressing the many use-cases, we've worked on addressing
>the concerns raised by the community and we've also kept moving
>towards reaching the project's goals.
>As you all know, the project has gone through many ups and downs.
>We've had some "failures" in the past and we've also had successes, as
>a project and as a team. Nevertheless, we've got to the point where it
>doesn't make much sense to keep pushing new features to the project
>until it gains adoption. Therefore, I'd like to take advantage of the
>workshop slots and invite people from other projects to help us/guide
>us through a hacking session on their projects so we can help with the
>adoption. The current adoption of Zaqar consist in:
>- 1 company reachingunning it in production
>- 1 planning to do it soon
>- RDO support
>Unfortunately, the above is certainly not enough for a project to
>succeed and it makes the time and effort spent on the project not
>worth it. It's been more than 2 years since we kicked the project off
>and it's time for it to show some results. The current problem seems
>to be that many people want the project but no one wants to be the
>first in adopting Zaqar (which kind of invalidates the premises of the
>"Big tent").
>In summary, this is a call for adoption before we call it a nice
>adventure and ask for the project to be excluded from the OpenStack
>organization based on the lack of adoption and contributions.
>If you think it's worth it, speak up. Either way, thanks for the
>support and for reading thus far.
>On behalf of the Zaqar team,
>Flavio Percoco

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Flavio Percoco
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