Open Stack

On 08/13/2014 02:33 PM, Dan Smith wrote:
> On 8/13/14 11:20 AM, Mike Bayer wrote:
>> On Aug 13, 2014, at 1:44 PM, Russell Bryant <rbryant at redhat.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I disagree.  IMO, *expecting* people to travel, potentially across
>>> the globe, 4 times a year is an unreasonable expectation, and
>>> quite uncharacteristic of open source projects.  If we can't figure
>>> out a way to have the most important conversations in a way that is
>>> inclusive of everyone, we're failing with our processes.
>>>
>>> By all means, if a subset wants to meet up and make progress on
>>> some things, I think that's fine.  I don't think anyone think it's
>>> not useful.
> 
> Well, it doesn't seem at all excessive to me, given the rate and volume
> at which we do things around here. That said, if a significant number of
> cores think it's not doable, then I guess that's a data point.
> 
> From what you said above, it sounds like you're okay with the meetings
> but not the requirement for cores. I said "expect" above -- is that a
> reasonable thing? Expect them to be present, unless they have a reason
> not to be there? Reasons could be personal or preference, but hopefully
> not "I never come to midcycles because $reason."
> 
>> It’s difficult to compare OpenStack to other open source projects, in
>> that it is on such a more massive and high velocity scale than almost
>> any others (perhaps the Linux kernel is similar). 
> 
> Yeah, I have a hard time justifying anything by comparing us to other
> projects. I've been involved with plenty and don't think any of them are
> useful data points for what we should or should not do here in terms of
> anything related to velocity :)

I think we also need to be careful with not continuing to increase
expectations because of velocity.  Burnout is a real problem.

-- 
Russell Bryant