[openstack-dev] Split of the openstack-dev list

Alex Freedland afreedland at mirantis.com
Fri Nov 15 23:51:52 UTC 2013

Agree with Clint completely! In my opinion it would be a big mistake to
separate the lists. There are tools in modern e-mail readers to filter
specific content into separate views. Why should OpenStack Foundation do it
for us?

Alex Freedland
Co-Founder and Chairman
Mirantis, Inc.

On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Clint Byrum <clint at fewbar.com> wrote:

> Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2013-11-14 05:12:55 -0800:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I think that we have recently reached critical mass for the
> > openstack-dev mailing-list, with 2267 messages posted in October, and
> > November well on its way to pass 2000 again. Some of those are just
> > off-topic (and I've been regularly fighting against them) but most of
> > them are just about us covering an ever-increasing scope, stretching the
> > definition of what we include in "openstack development".
> >
> > Therefore I'd like to propose a split between two lists:
> >
> > *openstack-dev*: Discussions on future development for OpenStack
> > official projects
> >
> > *stackforge-dev*: Discussions on development for stackforge-hosted
> projects
> >
> > Non-official "OpenStack-related" projects would get discussed in
> > stackforge-dev (or any other list of their preference), while
> > openstack-dev would be focused on openstack official programs (including
> > incubated & integrated projects).
> >
> > That means discussion about Solum, Mistral, Congress or Murano
> > (stackforge/* repos in gerrit) would now live on stackforge-dev.
> > Discussions about Glance, TripleO or Oslo libraries (openstack*/* repos
> > on gerrit) would happen on openstack-dev. This will allow easier
> > filtering and prioritization; OpenStack developers interested in
> > tracking promising stackforge projects would subscribe to both lists.
> >
> > That will not solve all issues. We should also collectively make sure
> > that *usage questions are re-routed* to the openstack general
> > mailing-list, where they belong. Too many people still answer off-topic
> > questions here on openstack-dev, which encourages people to be off-topic
> > in the future (traffic on the openstack general ML has been mostly
> > stable, with only 868 posts in October). With those actions, I hope that
> > traffic on openstack-dev would drop back to the 1000-1500 range, which
> > would be more manageable for everyone.
> >
> Allow me an analogy if you will:
> Consider a burgeoning city. There are people who have been around a long
> time. Some are politicians, some work for the city, some are just good
> citizens. These people see newcomers in the commons and greet them with
> open arms. Those who have only been around a while see those and see that
> this is a city where new people are welcome, and they do the same as the
> old timers, welcoming new residents and visitors alike, and they also
> feel even more welcome than before they noticed that. Though newcomers
> must wait a while and gain the trust of the old-timers to call themselves
> citizens, they are already encouraged to participate in discussions at
> every level and to organize themselves in the same way as the old-timers.
> Now consider a different city. Things are quiet in the commons. Newcomers
> are greeted with a sign. "Newcomers over there->". That part of town is
> unknown to the rest of the world. It has less infrastructure. It also
> has very little representation in the government. The line is very clear
> between the citizens and the newcomers. When the newcomers want to become
> full citizens, they have to go before a council of old-timers, some of
> whom have specifically decided to ignore newcomers until this moment.
> Now, choose which city will grow faster and produce more innovation.
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