[openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

Anita Kuno anteaya at anteaya.info
Fri Nov 15 18:29:47 UTC 2013

On 11/15/2013 01:13 PM, Mark McLoughlin wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 12:47 -0500, Anita Kuno wrote:
>> On 11/15/2013 12:34 PM, Russell Bryant wrote:
>>> On 11/15/2013 12:16 PM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote:
>>>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Dan Smith <dms at danplanet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks for weighing in, I do hope to keep the conversation going.
>>>>> Add my name to the list of people that won't be considering the trip as
>>>>> a result.
>>>> Are people really saying that if they show up for this Tempest sprint
>>>> with a logo shirt they would actually take it off and wear a white shirt
>>>> provided by someone, or that this will prevent them from going at all?
>>>> I can't even believe we're having this conversation on the list, frankly.
>>> I'm saying that I find it so ridiculous, that I wouldn't consider going
>>> at all.
>>> I find the suggestion that I would be given a different shit to wear so
>>> offensive, that I have to waste time having this conversation to condemn
>>> it publicly.  I have a lot of pride in OpenStack, and don't want anyone
>>> to think that everyone finds this sort of requirement acceptable in our
>>> community.
>> I respect this about you, Russell and it is one of the many reasons I am
>> so glad to work with you.
>> Had this level of pride in OpenStack been prevalent during the Neutron
>> design summit sessions, it wouldn't even have occured to me to mention it.
>> I hope to attract people with this level of pride in OpenStack to the
>> code sprint and my thought was that eliminating logos would support that
>> goal.
>> What would you suggest to attract and foster this level of pride in
>> OpenStack in the code sprint attendees?
>> I will also note, that while you clearly stated the Neutron is being
>> considered for deprecation - t-shirts prevail as an issue on this
>> thread. I consider that rather interesting to observe.
> I think you're expressing a similar sentiment to e.g. "there should be
> more Neutron developers who work on core Neutron rather than just their
> drivers". I'm cool with that, and totally agree.
Very much so.
> Choosing to pick on people's choice of clothing is just a bizarre way of
> expressing that concern, though.
I see I am in the minority on my choice of how to implement the above.
> Bear in mind how often I talk about this being a community of
> individuals, we should all wear our "project hats", that our affiliation
> should be secondary to our commitment to our project, ...
Exactly right. And it is because of my beneficial interactions in that 
regard that I would really like to see this carried over into Neutron.

I excel at making mistakes and this appears to be a large one. I am glad 
you are able to discern my motivations for my actions, seperate one from 
the other and share your thoughts on how I can improve.
> Dictating what people can wear to an OpenStack event is not my idea of
> what OpenStack is all about. It's not my idea of the "mutual respect"
> you talk about.
> Mark.
You make a good point. Hopefully more suggestions will come forward 
about how to foster mutual respect in a behaviour conguent with the spirit.

Thanks Mark,
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