<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Thanks Jim, good clarification. In other STV systems I've seen implemented there has been a forced rank. This clarification based on ASFs system makes STV even more similar to Condorcet, not requiring all candidates to be given an order of preference, in the event that STV was put forward for consideration by the membership.</div><div><br></div><div>Did ASF also consider the size of membership in selecting the Meeks Method? Given the large size of the OpenStack membership (10K+), we are questioning the need for Meeks Method, and I was starting to look at Hare-Clark as an alternative.</div><div><br>Best,<div>Simon</div></div><div><br>On Oct 15, 2013, at 9:55 AM, Jim Jagielski <<a href="mailto:jimjag@gmail.com">jimjag@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">All of the STV systems the ASF looked at and used (and developed) do not require ranking all candidates when casting a vote. Nor is it a requirement of STV itself.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Tim Bell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Tim.Bell@cern.ch" target="_blank">Tim.Bell@cern.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Could you clarify whether there is an STV system which does not require ranking all candidates (45 in the last round) and would require
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This would avoid the “bullet vote” mentioned in
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote</a>, require a reasonable level of education by the electorate (i.e. not just choose the nearest affiliation but also allow a vote to be cast
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<b>Sent:</b> 15 October 2013 10:16<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:elections-committee@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">elections-committee@lists.openstack.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Elections-committee] Draft STV Briefing Paper for Committee Review<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Look forward to discussing and refining it with you all today, on and after the election committee call.<br clear="all">
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