<div dir="ltr">That is right, but in that case the user has basically "thrown away" their vote. If their candidate was already going to win, then their vote is moot; Instead, what should be focused on is voter education. It results in a somewhat different mind-set which most voters feel *more* liberated about...<div>
<br></div><div>You could require that they submit at least the number of votes that correspond to the number of open slots; but that's an implementation issue.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Tim Bell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Tim.Bell@cern.ch" target="_blank">Tim.Bell@cern.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thus, my understanding of both Condorcet and STV is that if we do not require a complete ranking, we could up with concerns that
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If we require voting for ALL candidates, we could be asking 10K+ people to order 20+ people which may risk some random voting patterns
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<b>Sent:</b> 15 October 2013 18:56<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Simon Anderson; <a href="mailto:elections-committee@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">elections-committee@lists.openstack.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Elections-committee] Draft STV Briefing Paper for Committee Review<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All of the STV systems the ASF looked at and used (and developed) do not require ranking all candidates when casting a vote. Nor is it a requirement of STV itself.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Tim Bell <<a href="mailto:Tim.Bell@cern.ch" target="_blank">Tim.Bell@cern.ch</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Could you clarify whether there is an STV system which does not require ranking all candidates (45
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This would avoid the “bullet vote” mentioned in
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote</a>, require a reasonable level of education by the electorate (i.e. not just choose the nearest affiliation but also allow
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Simon Anderson [mailto:<a href="mailto:simon@dreamhost.com" target="_blank">simon@dreamhost.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 15 October 2013 10:16<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:elections-committee@lists.openstack.org" target="_blank">
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<b>Subject:</b> [Elections-committee] Draft STV Briefing Paper for Committee Review</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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