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<p><font size="2" face="sans-serif">It will depend on what Jonathan learns today. Alan would need to call the meeting. I'll follow up.</font><br>
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Todd M. Moore<br>
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Director, Interoperability and Partnerships<br>
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11501 Burnet Rd. MS 9035H014 <br>
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<font size="1" face="sans-serif">Simon Anderson <simon@dreamhost.com>, elections-committee@lists.openstack.org</font></td></tr>
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<tt><font size="2">Are we counting on having a special meeting of the board to discuss this<br>
next week?<br>
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If so, who's making sure it's going to get scheduled?<br>
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Mark.<br>
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On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 10:57 -0500, Todd Moore wrote:<br>
> Thanks Simon. Monty would you be able to work with Theiry on a Condorcet<br>
> description?<br>
> <br>
> Todd M. Moore<br>
> <br>
> Director, Interoperability and Partnerships<br>
> <br>
> 11501 Burnet Rd. MS 9035H014<br>
> Austin, TX , 78758. (512) 286-7643 (tie-line 363)<br>
> tmmoore@us.ibm.com<br>
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> Thanks Todd and Mark for summarizing the conference call, and everyone on<br>
> the committee for all the work put in to date to look at this important<br>
> issue and come up with good proposals to put before the membership. Having<br>
> just joined the committee, I can see how much thought and work you've all<br>
> put into this.<br>
> <br>
> I am definitely of the view that we should put a resolution to amend the<br>
> bylaws, and thereby adopt a Single Transferable Vote (STV) voting system<br>
> (see </font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">) or Condorcet<br>
> voting system (see </font></tt><tt><font size="2"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method</a></font></tt><tt><font size="2">) for the<br>
> next individual member Directors election to be held in January 2014. I<br>
> think there is strong interest from the community to see this put forward<br>
> for a vote, and I think we can move quickly but with clear communication<br>
> and do that over the next 4-5 weeks.<br>
> <br>
> I am happy to put my hand up to volunteer to prepare and present the STV<br>
> system to the Board. I'll need some input from other committee members<br>
> along the way, but I can commit time to this over this weekend and into<br>
> early next week. Personally, I think that there are good arguments for<br>
> using each of STV or Condorcet, and through this debate we will be able<br>
> balance these arguments and find the right option to present to members.<br>
> Both are "order of preference" voting systems, which is overall what I hear<br>
> from the community is wanted.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks again, and I'll start working on the STV presentation today.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Best,<br>
> Simon Anderson<br>
> CEO, DreamHost<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Todd Moore <tmmoore@us.ibm.com> wrote:<br>
> Thanks Mark. Good summary.<br>
> <br>
> It is worth adding that:<br>
> <br>
> Jonathan will confer with counsel again around the two options discussed<br>
> today.<br>
> <br>
> There seemed to be sentiment that each system would need an accurate<br>
> description that could be referenced by a bylaws change. I need two<br>
> volunteers to describe the system and pro's and con's for submission to<br>
> the board for debate.<br>
> <br>
> We await further direction out of Jonathan's investigations.<br>
> <br>
> Another committee discussion early next week is required, if we are to<br>
> use the Summit window as was suggested, to bring a revised system to the<br>
> membership for a vote. I proposed Wednesday at 1300 UTC again. If this<br>
> is acceptable email me please.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Todd M. Moore<br>
> <br>
> Director, Interoperability and Partnerships<br>
> <br>
> 11501 Burnet Rd. MS 9035H014<br>
> Austin, TX , 78758. (512) 286-7643 (tie-line 363)<br>
> tmmoore@us.ibm.com<br>
> <br>
> Inactive hide details for Mark McLoughlin ---10/11/2013 09:41:11 AM---Hi<br>
> Todd, Monty, Simon, Tim, Rob, Troy, Jonathan and I hadMark McLoughlin<br>
> ---10/11/2013 09:41:11 AM---Hi Todd, Monty, Simon, Tim, Rob, Troy,<br>
> Jonathan and I had a call today for<br>
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> <br>
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> From: Mark McLoughlin <markmc@redhat.com> <br>
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> <br>
> To: elections-committee@lists.openstack.org, <br>
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> <br>
> Date: 10/11/2013 09:41 AM <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Subject: [Elections-committee] Oct 11 meeting <br>
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> <br>
> Hi<br>
> <br>
> Todd, Monty, Simon, Tim, Rob, Troy, Jonathan and I had a call today for<br>
> over an hour<br>
> <br>
> I won't attempt to fully summarize the discussion, so fill in anything I<br>
> missed.<br>
> <br>
> - general consensus (AFAICT) that we should move forward with<br>
> recommending a change to the system<br>
> <br>
> - a feeling that the board should recommend a particular system and<br>
> not put the choice of system up for a vote<br>
> <br>
> - STV and some Condorcet variant were still the two contenders<br>
> discussed<br>
> <br>
> - there is a risk that any alternate system to could prove to make<br>
> the process of obtaining non-profit status more difficult,<br>
> particularly with Condorcet (it's not used by other orgs, harder to<br>
> explain, etc.)<br>
> <br>
> - another risk is that if someone successfully challenged an<br>
> election, the board would be invalid and unable to make decisions.<br>
> In other words, a system that is open to challenge could have very<br>
> serious consequences<br>
> <br>
> - the arguments in favour of STV, then, centred around these risks<br>
> and that it's a vast improvement in its own right<br>
> <br>
> - the arguments in favour of Condorcet largely centred around<br>
> consistency with the "technical community" elections and that we<br>
> know how to run these elections<br>
> <br>
> - we also had some discussion about timing. Some preference expressed<br>
> for pushing ahead quickly and having a vote which coincides with<br>
> the summit in an attempt to get more turnout. Others fear that that<br>
> strategy could backfire.<br>
> <br>
> Mark.<br>
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