<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I’ve gone over the numbers of meeting attendance. For the meetings at 15 UTC<div class="">we have as many as 17 attendees and as few as 11 (average 13). Compared to</div><div class="">the 1 UTC meetings which have a significant reduction in attendance with a high</div><div class="">of 9 and a low of 7 (average 8). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I want to encourage inclusiveness, but I’m not sure the numbers support having</div><div class="">the split meetings. If Pac-Asia attendance were much higher I would support</div><div class="">continuing the split times, but at some 1 UTC meetings there was zero attendance</div><div class="">from that region. Additionally, I’ve heard from several people in Europe that the</div><div class="">1 UTC time is entirely unworkable for them, further reducing our geographic</div><div class="">diversity.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m in favor of going back to the 15 UTC time.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Chris</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 14, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Egle Sigler <<a href="mailto:ushnishtha@hotmail.com" class="">ushnishtha@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Thank you Mark for raising this issue. <div class="">Personally, I like the IRC meeting format, though I think it is really good for some things, but not the best for actually having lengthy discussions on more complicated topics. Should we vote on having IRC/phone meetings again now that we have tried both?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The new times work for me, but there is less attendance/participation during 1 UTC time slot. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you are not attending the meetings because neither times work for you (other recurring meetings, really different time zone), but would regularly attend otherwise, please let us know and include your time zone.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you do not wish to share your opinions on the list about the times, we still want to hear from you. Email me or Rob directly with your feedback. </div><div class=""><br class="">Thank you,</div><div class="">Egle<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class=""><hr id="stopSpelling" class="">From: <a href="mailto:van.lindberg@rackspace.com" class="">van.lindberg@rackspace.com</a><br class="">To: <a href="mailto:rob@rackn.com" class="">rob@rackn.com</a>; <a href="mailto:mvoelker@vmware.com" class="">mvoelker@vmware.com</a><br class="">Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 15:37:25 +0000<br class="">CC: <a href="mailto:defcore-committee@lists.openstack.org" class="">defcore-committee@lists.openstack.org</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [OpenStack-DefCore] Meeting Time Checkup<br class=""><br class=""><div class="">This has definitely been the case for me. While I have had some other intervening issues as well, I have had significant difficulty with the new schedule and format.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><span id="ecxOLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" class=""><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt; text-align: left; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223);" class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Rob Hirschfeld <<a href="mailto:rob@rackn.com" class="">rob@rackn.com</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Monday, July 13, 2015 at 11:31 AM<br class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Mark Voelker <<a href="mailto:mvoelker@vmware.com" class="">mvoelker@vmware.com</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>"<a href="mailto:defcore-committee@lists.openstack.org" class="">defcore-committee@lists.openstack.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:defcore-committee@lists.openstack.org" class="">defcore-committee@lists.openstack.org</a>><br class=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Re: [OpenStack-DefCore] Meeting Time Checkup<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">All,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Now that we've started IRC and split times, I don't see that we have any real way to reverse the practice without the _perception_ of limiting collaboration.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Both are workable for me; however, I find the IRC meetings less productive and the split times been a net loss in participation. As co-chair I am voicing this position to give others a chance to express similar opinions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Rob<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Mark Voelker<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:mvoelker@vmware.com" target="_blank" class="">mvoelker@vmware.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi folks,<br class=""><br class="">As most of your recall, at the beginning of the Flag cycle we set a new meeting schedule so that we have alternating-week meeting times [1]. One of the goals of doing so was to invite more global participation in DefCore by having meeting times that were more doable for folks in various locales around the world. When we adopted that schedule, we set ourselves a checkpoint to review and see if the schedule was having it's intended effect or whether further tweaks might be necessary. Last week's meeting was that checkpoint, and we initiated the discussion there [2]. However we wanted to bring this up on the ML as well so folks unable to attend the meeting had a chance to chime in.<br class=""><br class="">Generally speaking, the current alternating schedule seems to be working out reasonably well: we are seeing slightly less attendance during the 01:00 UTC slot but generally we've still got plenty enough of a quorum to get things done. We're often seeing a person or two from AsiaPac join during that slot. The 15:00 UTC slot seems better attended (and is generally more convenient for the North America-based folks) and we've also occasionally had an attendee or two from Europe during that time.<br class=""><br class="">On the downside, we aren't really seeing a lot of *routine* attendance from individuals based outside of North America. That may be ok--over time we expect to see a lot of folks join us briefly to discuss a matter of importance to them like a flag or a problematic test and then drop off again, and right now the majority of those who are most involved in routine DefCore work happen to be based in North America. We want to be amenable and inviting to those occasional visitors and prospective new active members even if it makes for a slightly less convenient schedule for the majority of us. However if there are folks that would like to be routine participants that we're excluding somehow, now would be a good time to pipe up and let us know why the current times aren't working out for you.<br class=""><br class="">Absent major objections, I think the general feeling is that the current schedule is working out well enough to keep.<br class=""><br class="">[1]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.2" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.2</a><br class="">[2]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.7" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.7</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">At Your Service,<br class=""><br class="">Mark T. 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