<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>Just to add some additional background information. Today, if you wish to qualify for the OpenStack Powered logo (see attached) as well as other associated trademark rights (i.e. how you name your product if it includes the word “OpenStack” in it) . You must meet these criteria. Note that this list of requirement is rather old, dating back to a time when we had a LOT fewer projects and capabilities, and thus, in my view, the sooner we can implement something better, the better, even if that something better isn’t perfect (as few things are).</div><div><br></div><div>On the substantive questions raised throughout this thread on the right policies, I am very interested to hear from users like Tim on what really matters wrt interop, since in my mind that’s job #1 of this whole exercise.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Current Requirements Language:</div><div>---------------------</div><div><br></div><div>
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<!--StartFragment--><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:#535353">a.</span><span style="font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#535353"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;
color:#535353">A primary purpose of your product must be to run a functioning
operational instance of the OpenStack software.</span><span style="font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:#535353"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(83, 83, 83); font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;">b.
Your product must:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:.5in;mso-pagination:
none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:#535353">i. upon
its launch, include the entirety of the OpenStack Compute (Nova) code from
either of the latest two releases and associated milestones, and</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:#535353"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:.5in;mso-pagination:
none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:#535353">ii. upon
its launch, include the entirety of the OpenStack Object Storage (Swift) code
from either of the latest two releases and associated milestones, and</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
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11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:#535353">iii.
expose the associated OpenStack APIs published on <a href="http://www.openstack.org/"><span style="color:#535353">http://www.openstack.org</span></a>
without modification.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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You must clearly state which OpenStack projects and versions are used to set
customer expectations, in a way that is conspicuous to customers.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="text-align: justify; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(83, 83, 83);">d.</span><span style="text-align: justify; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue'; color: rgb(83, 83, 83);"> </span><span style="text-align: justify; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(83, 83, 83);">As of January 1st, 2012, your
product must pass any Faithful Implementation Test Suite (FITS) defined by the
Technical Committee that will be made available on <a href="http://www.openstack.org/FITS"><span style="color:#535353">http://www.openstack.org/FITS</span></a>,
to verify that you are implementing a sufficiently current and complete version
of the software (and exposing associated APIs) to ensure compatibility and
interoperability. Your product will be required to pass the current FITS test
on an annual basis, which will generally require you to be running either of
the latest two software releases. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph;
mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="color: rgb(83, 83, 83); font-family: Calibri; font-size: 15px; background-color: white;">—————--------------------</span></p><div><br></div><div>So today we require you to have 100% of Nova + the Nova APIs. and 100% of Swift + the Swift APIs. Now one might point out that this lacks some level of specificity to be crystal clear, but I think what Rob and team have been trying to do over the past few months is to bring a lot more specificity to whatever comes next, which is both an ambitious and admirable goal. Both in terms of 1) what APIs we mean specifically 2) what tests we mean you to pass specifically associated with those APIs and 3) what code requirements, specifically, are required (and looking beyond just Nova and Swift to the whole list of possible projects … which are now thought of as “capabilities” more so than “projects” to take a more user centric view). </div><div><br></div><div>So how will the contract language re: requirements change as defcore, the board, and community arrive at a consensus on “what’s next”? Here’s what i expect:</div><div><br></div><div><ul class="MailOutline"><li>It is my expectation that A) will stay as-is. <span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: rgb(83, 83, 83);"> "</span><font color="#535353" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">A primary purpose of your product must be to run a functioning operational instance of the OpenStack software.</span><span style="font-size: 15px;">”</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> We could tweak it but I </span><span style="font-size: 15px;">think</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> it</span><span style="font-size: 15px;">’</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">s pretty clear.</span></font></li><li><font color="#535353" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 15px;">It is my expectation that c) will stay as-is "</span></font><span style="color: rgb(83, 83, 83); font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt;">You must clearly state which OpenStack projects and versions are used to set customer expectations, in a way that is conspicuous to customers.</span><font color="#535353" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 15px;">”</span></font></li></ul><ul class="MailOutline"><li><font color="#535353" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">And that everything </span><span style="font-size: 15px;">under</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> b, </span><span style="font-size: 15px;">which</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> deals with capabilities/code/apis today </span><span style="font-size: 15px;">will</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> be re-written to </span><span style="font-size: 15px;">reflect</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> the required </span><span style="font-size: 15px;">capabilities</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">, APIs, and code inclusion once those are approved (note that Icehouse is the first expected enforceable version, as the Havana stuff being </span><span style="font-size: 15px;">discussed</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 15px;">today</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> is </span><span style="font-size: 15px;">“</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">advisory</span><span style="font-size: 15px;">”</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> meaning it wouldn</span><span style="font-size: 15px;">’</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">t be a contract requirement). I am working on this language in conjunction with our </span><span style="font-size: 15px;">trademark</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> attorney (with placeholders for the actual things that are in or out, pending a decision there) and will socialize it with the ecosystem and defcore. We might </span><span style="font-size: 15px;">actually want to take the specificity out of the agreement itself and point instead to a web page where the details are posted, so that we can get this moving faster and not over burden the agreement itself.</span></font></li><li style="text-align: justify;"><font color="#535353" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 15px;">My expectation is that d) will be re-written to more accurately reflect the expected testing requirements and mechanisms. Frankly, if we just put the tests and steps up on the page </span><a href="http://OpenStack.org/FITS" style="font-size: 15px;">OpenStack.org/FITS</a><span style="font-size: 15px;"> then I’m not sure how much change this language needs. That said, we should decide if this is still the standard for freshness and re-testing we want to have "</span></font><span style="color: rgb(83, 83, 83); font-family: Calibri; font-size: 15px; text-align: justify;">Your product will be required to pass the current FITS test on an annual basis, which will generally require you to be running either of the latest two software releases. </span><font color="#535353" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 15px;">“</span></font></li></ul><div style="text-align: justify;"><br></div></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><font color="#535353" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 15px;">The benefit of sticking with as much of the language in D) as possible is that it has been in agreements for years, and is thus socialized and actually agreed to by many many companies already. I’m not against re-writing it but let’s do so for a good reason. One thing that does not seem to jive with the current reality is the statement that the FITS test is “defined by the Technical Committee. Would it be more accurate to say that we are now looking to the Board to define the test? I don’t have a dog in that fight, just wanting to have the agreements reflect the direction we’re going, so we’re ready to cut over when it’s time.</span></font></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><font color="#535353" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><font color="#535353" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><font color="#535353" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><font color="#535353" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><font color="#535353" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><font color="#535353" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><img height="312" width="701" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" apple-inline="yes" id="6F3E62B4-45B8-4FC3-B6FA-4F88B316D909" src="cid:173F7584-1859-4AAC-9705-DDD1ABF41EB6@grandenetworks.net"></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><font color="#535353" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(83, 83, 83);"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; background-color: white; vertical-align: baseline; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
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<!--EndFragment--></div><div><br></div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:50 AM, Tom Fifield <<a href="mailto:tom@openstack.org">tom@openstack.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">I'm pretty much blocked out until the ops meetup is over (say 1st</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">September or so) - when is that board meeting again?</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">but anyway, here's what I'm thinking:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">Simple webapp that does away with everything but components, explaining</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">the complex bits only in context for what a potential trademark</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">applicant is trying to do with components.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">so, two parts:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">1) the form (static html) - what is the activity {run a cloud, make a</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">storage product etc}, what trademark {powered, compatible, etc}, and</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">which components are being used</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">2) the result page (a template, filled in by some code based on the form</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">selections)</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">that talks about whether the components they've ticked are enough, and</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">also about what they're allowed to do with those components.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">Ideally, each component name would link off to a dedicated page for that</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">component explaining the 'designated sections' and required API things.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">mockups attached - very, very rough!</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">I'd propose to create this and circulate it so that the community can</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">understand the impact of the suggested designated sections before the</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">board meeting.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br style="font-family: Helvetica; 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font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">On 15/08/14 14:04,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:Rob_Hirschfeld@Dell.com" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Rob_Hirschfeld@Dell.com</a><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Tom / Josh,<br><br><br><br>We can update the examples; however, I think that we could use some help<br>here. You can I are very close to the material and make assumptions<br>about reader knowledge when explaining it.<br><br><br><br>It would be helpful to have someone (Tom?) with a fresh perspective take<br>a pass at it.<br><br><br><br>Rob<br><br><blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br>From: Tom Fifield [<a href="mailto:tom@openstack.org">mailto:tom@openstack.org</a>]<br>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 7:52 PM<br>To: Joshua McKenty<br>Cc: <a href="mailto:defcore-committee@lists.openstack.org">defcore-committee@lists.openstack.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [OpenStack-DefCore] Please review, results from<br>Designated Sections review w/ recommendations. +1s needed<br><br>All good with me :) Though, I would note the timeframe here is short.<br>We obviously want the community to be able to understand the real<br>impact of these suggested designated suggestions and comment on them<br>well before any board meeting, so revisited sooner the better IMO!<br><br><br>Regards,<br><br><br>Tom<br><br><br>On 15/08/14 10:47, Joshua McKenty wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Tom, those examples we're put together before the trademark was<br>changed<br></blockquote>by the foundation staff. We may need to revisit those practical concerns.<br><blockquote type="cite"><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 14, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Tom Fifield wrote:<br><br>Hit send too soon :) I also didn't find any "practical<br>implementation concerns" in those slides - that would also be<br>appreciated :)<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I'm also interested in any practical implementation concerns you<br>think can arise based on the below suggestions.<br><br>For example, in the case of an "OpenStack Powered" cloud that<br>offers an object store that is not swift, would they be<br>recommended/required to denote that actually that particular bit<br>was<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>not "Openstack Powered"?<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br>I could see that being confusing for users, and my guess is<br>there might be some similar cases that should be managed :)<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br><br>Regards,<br><br><br>Tom<br><br><blockquote type="cite">On 15/08/14 10:41, Tom Fifield wrote:<br>Hi Rob,<br><br>Thanks for the reply :)<br><br>I actually find these pretty complicated - is there a chance for<br>some simpler ones?<br><br><br>Regards,<br><br><br>Tom<br><br><blockquote type="cite">On 15/08/14 09:59, <a href="mailto:Rob_Hirschfeld@Dell.com">Rob_Hirschfeld@Dell.com</a> wrote:<br>Tom,<br><br><br><br>I agree!<br><br><br><br>Josh and I did a presentation with examples in ATL<br>(<a href="http://www.confreaks.com/videos/3695-openstacksummitatl2014-core">http://www.confreaks.com/videos/3695-openstacksummitatl2014-core</a><br>-<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>v<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">ia-crowd-sourcing-defcores-tempest-in-a-docker-container-tcup<br>) and I gave an updated version at OSCON<br>(<a href="http://www.slideshare.net/rhirschfeld/oscon-2014-def-core-review">http://www.slideshare.net/rhirschfeld/oscon-2014-def-core-review</a><br>)<br><br><br><br>These are also discussed on my blog at<br><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/rhirschfeld/oscon-2014-def-core-review">http://www.slideshare.net/rhirschfeld/oscon-2014-def-core-review</a><br><br><br><br>Please let me know if those examples help explain the use of the<br>mark better.<br><br><br><br>Thanks<br><br><blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br>From: Tom Fifield [mailto:tom@openstack.org]<br>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 6:14 PM<br>To: defcore-committee@lists.openstack.org<br>Subject: Re: [OpenStack-DefCore] Please review, results from<br>Designated Sections review w/ recommendations. +1s needed<br><br>Hi Rob,<br><br>Can you provide a few example uses of the commercial marks based<br>on<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>below?<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br>eg "I can call my cloud "OpenStack Powered" without regard to<br>the use of Keystone."<br><br><br>I'm also interested in any practical implementation concerns you<br>think can arise based on the below suggestions.<br><br>For example, in the case of an "OpenStack Powered" cloud that<br>offers an object store that is not swift, would they be<br>recommended/required to denote that actually that particular bit<br>was<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>not "Openstack Powered"?<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br>I could see that being confusing for users, and my guess is<br>there might be some similar cases that should be managed :)<br><br><br>Regards,<br><br><br>Tom<br><br><blockquote type="cite">On 15/08/14 04:54, <a href="mailto:Rob_Hirschfeld@Dell.com">Rob_Hirschfeld@Dell.com</a> wrote:<br>DefCore,<br><br><br><br>We had a small turn out and very good discussions that were<br>able to produce clear guidance for Designated Sections (see<br>below). We also reviewed the Havana capabilities from the board<br>meeting and the 10 designated sections principles approved by<br>email. Finally, we setup a calendar for community review<br>leading up to the September Board meeting<br><br><br><br>Here are the recommendations:<br><br>· Havana Nova is by default designated except scheduler,<br>filter, drivers, API extensions and networking.<br><br>· Havana Swift has no designated code due to lack of consensus<br>(see principles)<br><br>· Havana Keystone is not designated.<br><br>· Havana Glance designated sections are the API implementation<br>code and domain model.<br><br>· Havana Cinder designated sections are the API implementation<br>code<br><br>· Havana Neutron has no designated sections.<br><br>· Havana Heat is not a core capability, no position at this time.<br><br>· Havana Horizon is not a core capability, no position at this<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>time.<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br>· other projects do not are not core capabilities and are not<br>reviewed at this time.<br><br><br><br>Please contribute to a discussion or +1<br><br><br><br>Rob<br><br>*______________________________*<br><br>*Rob Hirschfeld*<br><br>Sr. Distinguished Cloud Solution Architect<br><br>*Dell*| Cloud Edge, Data Center Solutions**<br><br>*cell*+1 512 909-7219 *blog* <a href="http://robhirschfeld.com">robhirschfeld.com</a>, *twitter*<br>@zehicle<br><br>Please note, I am based in the CENTRAL (-6) time zone<br></blockquote><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Defcore-committee mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Defcore-committee@lists.openstack.org">Defcore-committee@lists.openstack.org</a><br>http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/defcore-comm<br>it<br>tee<br></blockquote></blockquote><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Defcore-committee mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Defcore-committee@lists.openstack.org">Defcore-committee@lists.openstack.org</a><br>http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/defcore-commit<br>te<br>e<br></blockquote><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Defcore-committee mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Defcore-committee@lists.openstack.org">Defcore-committee@lists.openstack.org</a><br>http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/defcore-committ<br>ee<br></blockquote></blockquote><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Defcore-committee mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Defcore-committee@lists.openstack.org">Defcore-committee@lists.openstack.org</a><br>http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/defcore-committee<br></blockquote><br></blockquote><br style="font-family: Helvetica; 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