[openstack-community] Proposal: remove voting on speaking proposals for Barcelona Summit

Doug Hellmann doug at doughellmann.com
Thu May 19 13:38:24 UTC 2016

Excerpts from Florian Haas's message of 2016-05-19 10:00:25 +0200:
> Hi Lana!
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 3:23 AM, Lana Brindley
> <openstack at lanabrindley.com> wrote:
> > I'm actually really starting to like Florian's proposed method, with one exception: I don't like the idea of limiting it to talk submitters. The reason I say this is that, before I was a PTL, I submitted talks to every summit. That stopped when I became a PTL because, quite simply, I spend most of my time running sessions in the Design Summit, only popping over to the main conference for the talks I absolutely don't want to miss. I think by limiting the voting to only people submitting talks, you will miss the voice of people who deliberately *don't* submit a talk, because they're massively invested in other aspects of the conference, especially those on the more technical side of the house.
> >
> > Perhaps, instead of limiting it to talk submitters, maybe make it available to a different subset: people who have attended previously, maybe?
> Hmmm. Well I'm afraid limiting talk votes to talk submitters is
> exactly what makes the proposed approach meaningful. :)
> If you have a minute, please consider reviewing Prof. Merrifield's
> remarks in the video when Brady asks his question starting with "call
> me a cynic", about https://youtu.be/7c0CoXFApnM?t=6m25s — this is
> exactly the part that makes this system self-policing, and it goes out
> the window if your own proposal isn't at stake.
> Side note, if your assessment badly disagrees with what everyone else
> has been thinking about a proposal, then this is not necessarily
> because you're naughty and you want to game the system — you may just
> be a shoddy reviewer who went over their reviewed proposals in a rush
> whereas everyone else gave them more time. That, too, is something
> that the system *should* penalize, because it ensures the quality of
> the review process.
> There is one other criticism to this, which is the opposite: what if
> I'm being *extremely* diligent and I detect an issue that no-one else
> detects? This is addressed here: https://youtu.be/bplncn4xC74?t=1m48s
> (tl;dw: have public, anonymized free-form comments available to all
> reviewers).
> At any rate though, I can't think of a way to do this that does *not*
> make the group of reviewers identical with the group of submitters.
> And quite frankly, I quite like it as it is, considering the fact that
> the proposed system forces everyone not only to think "how would I
> rank this", but also "how would *others* rank this", which is exactly
> what you want for the benefit of the much greater group of conference
> attendees (as opposed to speakers).
> What are your thoughts on that?
> Cheers,
> Florian

I feel like this system assumes bad faith on the part of the
contributor (speaker, reviewer, and voter), and tries to enforce
good behavior through rules and technology. I would rather we have
a more public way of selecting track chairs and then have faith in
them to evaluate talks objectively for relevance and quality, sharing
guidance and feedback as part of the process.


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